A contributor called "Gil" has informed me that he and a number of other Israeli bloggers started a thread on the Infinity Ward forums requesting that an Israeli flag be added to the multiplayer function of Modern Warfare 2. Although most of the people who responded on the thread were very supportive of the idea, and some weren't, there were a noted few who responded with hateful comments not unlike what you might see on the Huffington Post. It is unfortunate that even the gamer population can display this kind of attitude. Some of the comments were deleted by the mods (good for them!) but many, many others remain on the thread as of the last time I checked. Click the link below to read some of them.
Kourosh D
"Well, since Israel is not a real country, it shouldn't have a flag" [deleted]
Vladimir_Gorbachev
"Sure have. Mass murdering of Palenstinians is a good one to start with. Or Israel's economic blockade of Gaza since July 07, cutting off basic needs such as food, water and medicine. That in result has turned Gaza strip into the largest concentration camp in the world with a 1.5 million starving people imprisoned within it's border.
They stole that land they are on. So they shouldn't be put in the game among that regimes other atrocities."
[Of course, it's okay that Saudi Arabia, Iran and this poster's home of Russia should be included. If that isn't a double standard, I don't know what is.]
holomang
"Israel's not a real country."
DME786
"Chillout dude, people are allowed to express their views as they wish, it's a discussion not an arguement.
One has to understand although what you have stated MAY be true (I wouldn't believe it). the isreal army has killed women and children for no apparent reason, hence NATO want to take isreal to court for war crimes. If you cage an animal against he's will and then you let him loose, what do you expect? outrage thats the prospective from the other side of the boarder."
[Not so much hateful as merely dumb. Confusing NATO with the UN is kind of a giveaway.]
[I don't know who posted this because it was deleted but another poster quoted it.]
""Any country like Israel that cannot control them selves due to a childish belief in a god needs to eat shit. Israel and all the other BULLSHIT countries that are ran by religion need to suck a ***. fucking jews. Actually, add the flag. When I find a team mate or enemy thats selected it i'll *** with them til they block me""
philbo
"When Israel becomes a credible country and more than just a place for bawlbag sob story babies to cry together, then they'll put a flag in for it."
[I'm not entirely sure what that means, but it doesn't sound good.]
philbo
"Your flag sucks and your country isn't legit, get over it and quit whining."
Kourosh DK
"Get over it, Israel's not a legit country, it's a stolen country. So buzz off, there's lots of other callsigns."
NotImpressed
"Israel is a well known terrorist state, not an actual nation. We'd have to start handing out flags to Al Quaeda and every terrorist faction out there. It would just get ridiculous.
I'd rather they just take out the Tar-21 and Uzi [Israeli weapons] than start flying that nation of swindlers' flag."
holomang
"No group of people that bought land out from under another group of people should ever be allowed to be called a country."
[I guess this poster isn't American.]
K1lian
"No, you're not a country. You are a sophisticated group of terrorists, who bulldoze homes, whether or not people are in them.
I'd seriously give IW a phone call/and or visit to their headquarters if they involved your stolen land in the game.
I'm sure alot of groups out there would like to hear if IW involves an Israeli Flag in their game. And I say Israeli Flag because it's only the flag that your people has. Your land is stolen."
Fruiity
"killing women and babys
you dont deserve to be in the game"
RobsStang
"Israel is a terrorist state - a few random rockets that killed one person does not justify a scorched earth policy on Gaza that killed thousands. If THEY didn't control the media they would be held to account - no other country could get away with what they do - its good to see so many in here can see through the lies.
NO FLAG FOR YOU !!
HA HA."
MxMerked
"K then add the palestinian flag the libanese flag the turkish flag the egtypian flag etc...
your land is given dont kid yourself child
i personally think you shouldnt get shit."
holomang
"Israel murders American soldiers and then wants Americans to add their flag to their game...
Is there anything these people don't feel entitled to?"
holomang
"The Israeli army isn't only immoral, but an instrument of state terror.
Just because they have matching uniforms doesn't make them any less of a terrorist organization."
K1llian
"I'm from the United States of America. And I along with every American on this board do not RECOGNIZE YOUR STOLEN LAND.
Your arguments "Dont bother us plz, we only have a small piece of land, you can't even find it on the map" is pathetic.
If I were your neighboring country and your people bulldozed my homes, and stole my people's land, you sure as fck I'd become "terrorist" and bomb the fck out of you guys.
YOUR LAND IS STOLEN, YOU ARE NOT LEGIT. NO FLAG ON MODERWARFARE 2. SHUT UP ALREADY."
Oujdi
"NO Israel FLAG please, because Israel is not a state, it is a occupied land that belongs to Palestine.
That's why i prefer a PALESTINE FLAG......."
holomang
"It's called the USS Liberty. Way to murder innocent American sailors who caught Israeli thugs committing war crimes. Murdering innocents... hmm sounds like something terrorists do.
I'm not surprised you've never heard of it."
NotImpressed
"If they're going to add an Israeli flag, they should also add the Nazi Flag of WW2 since they'd basically be 2 peas in a pot."
DME786
"To all those israelis let me cage your people up for a decade and see how it really fills to be opressed hence the people of GAZA's have no say therefore the only way for the world to take notice to blow themselves up. I Condem terrorist but you need to take off those shades and have a look on the other side before u start backing your shitty army up."
holomang
"Add Israel's flag so long as you add the banner of Hamas as well.
One terrorist flag deserves another."
[Notice how this one troll comes back again...and again...and again.]
NotImpressed
"Only thing Israel is at the front of his bulldozing homes and massacring unarmed civilians. I wouldn't call that warfare."
swirl
"1. screw the israeli zionist flag
2. MW2 sucks (for the PC that is)
3. IW sucks too"
[Just an all-purpose troll.]
ChRoNiix
"Now i have to disagree with this, because many other countries have also been left out.
And btw israel is not small, it slowly is taking over all the stolen land from palestine.
I hate these zionists..."
________________________________________________
And that's probably all for now. Of course, I'd be dishonest not to also tell you that many of the pro-Israel posters aren't the most articulate or civil in defending their point of view. But I think it is interesting how the mere mention of Israel is enough to lead to anger and hate speech and a derailed thread.
If you want to contact Infinity Ward about any of this:
info@infinityward.com
Monday, November 30, 2009
Videos You Should Watch: "Palestinian Mythology"
This Youtube video is one that I have bookmarked for a while because it is a concise, to the point way of proving what happened in 1948 (i.e., that most of the Palestinian Arabs left because of fear, not because they were forced out by the Jews). Especially interesting is in the middle, where the film investigates Deir Yassim. I plan to start posting this link on the HP whenever someone brings up the "massacre" there. The film is by Pierre Rehov, a respected French Jewish filmmaker, famous for revealing the truth about Mohammed al-Dura.
HPW: Tony Blair Defends Israel on I/P Situation
Yesterday the Huffington Post published a New York Times editorial written by Tony Blair, ex-Prime Minister that defends President Obama's choices regarding the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Here's an example of a quote from it:
Where I was confused was in many attacks on the New York Times itself. It's one thing to disagree with a paper, but in this thread it only tangentially had to do with the subject. I guess people who feel strongly about the NYT would take any venue to attack it. Oh, they didn't forget to bash Israel as well! Let's take a look at some of the individual remarks.
I'll start with an example of the anti-Blair and anti-New York Times comments first. These are two examples, but there were many more:
S1m0n
"And I do emphasize that as well. The president set this at the beginning. This is, to my mind, the big difference from what has come before. At the very beginning of this administration, he set that as a core strategic objective. I have absolutely no doubt he holds to that and whatever the difficulties and the obstacles; we have to find a way through. And personally, although as I say I am optimist by nature, I believe we will."Sounds pretty positive, right? Yet for some rather unusual reason, there was a lot of negativity from the talkbackers in the comments thread. I am thinking that it is more directed at the messenger rather than the message itself, as Tony Blair was the leader of Britain during the Iraq invasion and apparently was in favor of it. So even though he agrees with Obama on some issues, he is still lost forever in the minds of the HuffPosters.
Where I was confused was in many attacks on the New York Times itself. It's one thing to disagree with a paper, but in this thread it only tangentially had to do with the subject. I guess people who feel strongly about the NYT would take any venue to attack it. Oh, they didn't forget to bash Israel as well! Let's take a look at some of the individual remarks.
I'll start with an example of the anti-Blair and anti-New York Times comments first. These are two examples, but there were many more:
S1m0n
Sunday, November 29, 2009
Daoud Kuttab Exemplifies Palestinian Arguments
In his most recent article on the Huffington Post, Daoud Kuttab, a prominent Palestinian journalist, envisions how the next Palestinian election might go and mentions Marwan Barghouti, another Palestinian politician that recently appeared on The Daily Show. He describes Barghouti as someone who "was arrested and sentenced to a long prison term on charges that he led the Second Intifada, which had begun two years earlier, and ordered some of its military attacks."
Did you get that? "military attacks". One poster, "adamsquared" asked Kuttab about this odd description of suicide bombings, arguing that it was disingenuous to characterize Barghouti as a military leader when he had in fact chosen sites for terror attacks. Kuttab himself responded with the following quote:
Daoud Kuttab
"If we are talking about those planning and executing attacks in which civilians were killed, we can look at the last war on Gaza for which a UN appointed Crime of war judge has reported that israel (and also Hamas) committed crimes of war and possibly crimes against humanity. In wars everyone is involved in violence, let us look at all sides of the conflict if you wish"
Here we have the first rule of Palestinian defense: point the blame somewhere else, anywhere else, but especially at Israel. Kuttab's quote had nothing to do with Barghouti or his article, he instead decided it would be best to remind everyone how evil Israel is because of Cast Lead. This argument is of course completely insubstantial and wouldn't fool a middle school debate student, but anti-Israel posters try it all the time. Luckily, "adamsquared" wasn't fooled, and asked Kuttab again how he could "whitewash" Barghouti's record and pointed out that Israeli crimes does not excuse Palestinian (Barghouti's) crimes. Kuttab came back with this:
Daoud Kuttab
"You may be surprised that I do agree with you, that Israeli crimes don't justify crimes by Palestinians. That is why that I mentioned Hamas when I made the remark. My point is that all sides have plenty of blood on their hands and no one side can claim to be innocent."
Rule number 2: Try to seem re-conciliatory and point out that both sides have done wrong (have "blood on their hands"). No one will disagree with you because you seem so balanced and objective, even though you have made a moral equivalence between fighting terror with unintended side effects and intentionally murdering innocent civilians. Kuttab cannot disagree with "adam" that Barghouti is a terror leader, but rather than admit he is wrong and should have included that information in his article, Kuttab prefers to bob and weave and talk about extraneous issues. When arguing with an anti-Israel personality, it is very important to keep them on the specific topic you are talking about. Otherwise, you get a conversation like this one, where the original point is lost under mounds of extraneous rhetoric and side issues.
Did you get that? "military attacks". One poster, "adamsquared" asked Kuttab about this odd description of suicide bombings, arguing that it was disingenuous to characterize Barghouti as a military leader when he had in fact chosen sites for terror attacks. Kuttab himself responded with the following quote:
Daoud Kuttab
"If we are talking about those planning and executing attacks in which civilians were killed, we can look at the last war on Gaza for which a UN appointed Crime of war judge has reported that israel (and also Hamas) committed crimes of war and possibly crimes against humanity. In wars everyone is involved in violence, let us look at all sides of the conflict if you wish"
Here we have the first rule of Palestinian defense: point the blame somewhere else, anywhere else, but especially at Israel. Kuttab's quote had nothing to do with Barghouti or his article, he instead decided it would be best to remind everyone how evil Israel is because of Cast Lead. This argument is of course completely insubstantial and wouldn't fool a middle school debate student, but anti-Israel posters try it all the time. Luckily, "adamsquared" wasn't fooled, and asked Kuttab again how he could "whitewash" Barghouti's record and pointed out that Israeli crimes does not excuse Palestinian (Barghouti's) crimes. Kuttab came back with this:
Daoud Kuttab
"You may be surprised that I do agree with you, that Israeli crimes don't justify crimes by Palestinians. That is why that I mentioned Hamas when I made the remark. My point is that all sides have plenty of blood on their hands and no one side can claim to be innocent."
Rule number 2: Try to seem re-conciliatory and point out that both sides have done wrong (have "blood on their hands"). No one will disagree with you because you seem so balanced and objective, even though you have made a moral equivalence between fighting terror with unintended side effects and intentionally murdering innocent civilians. Kuttab cannot disagree with "adam" that Barghouti is a terror leader, but rather than admit he is wrong and should have included that information in his article, Kuttab prefers to bob and weave and talk about extraneous issues. When arguing with an anti-Israel personality, it is very important to keep them on the specific topic you are talking about. Otherwise, you get a conversation like this one, where the original point is lost under mounds of extraneous rhetoric and side issues.
Costa Rican President Says, "Palestinians Don't Need Army"
While we were on break I missed this article, but it's quite an interesting turn of events. Costa Rican president (and Nobel Peace Prize winner) Oscar Arias not only visited Israel and talked about his vision of the future there, but he also said that he felt that a militarized Palestinian state was simply unnecessary: "A small, poor state like Palestine doesn't need an army."
It's worth mentioning that Costa Rica also doesn't have an army, which I believe is a unique claim in this world of ours. The truth, of course, is taht Mr. Arias is correct: If the Palestinians are making peace with Israel, then they really have no reason to have an army at all, except to make themselves feel better about themselves and less vulnerable. Many HuffPosters have defended their feelings and a fabricated "right" to a military. I can understand why the Palestinians won't want to be completely at the mercy of the IDF even when the occupation ends. But they are at the mercy of the IDF right now, and will be in any real way once they have their own state anyway, Palestinian army or no. Ultimately, if the Palestinians want a state to run as they wish, Israel needs to approve it first. I'm glad to see that there are some world leaders who aren't toeing the Palestinian party line and can at least try to approach the situation objectively.
It's worth mentioning that Costa Rica also doesn't have an army, which I believe is a unique claim in this world of ours. The truth, of course, is taht Mr. Arias is correct: If the Palestinians are making peace with Israel, then they really have no reason to have an army at all, except to make themselves feel better about themselves and less vulnerable. Many HuffPosters have defended their feelings and a fabricated "right" to a military. I can understand why the Palestinians won't want to be completely at the mercy of the IDF even when the occupation ends. But they are at the mercy of the IDF right now, and will be in any real way once they have their own state anyway, Palestinian army or no. Ultimately, if the Palestinians want a state to run as they wish, Israel needs to approve it first. I'm glad to see that there are some world leaders who aren't toeing the Palestinian party line and can at least try to approach the situation objectively.
The "Free Speech" Defense
Yesterday a news report came in about a newspaper called the Daily Planet being accused of anti-Semitism.
No, not that Daily Planet. This is the one published from Berkeley, California by Editor-in-Chief Becky O'Malley. Basically the people who are making the accusations are accusing the DP of a clear-cut bias against anti-Israel editorials and articles, making a comparison of an addict (which you can read about in the article). If you are interested in finding more details about the kinds of articles that the Berkely Daily Planet publishes, you can read the Ynet article above or check out DPWatchdog, a site that monitors what is published.
So what concerns me is the way that Ms. O'Malley reacted to these accusations, which included a request that sponsors of the BDP withdraw their monetary contributions. She said:
This is something that I see quite often among leftists, and occasionally in our discussions on the Huffington Post as well. Basically, when the accusation is made that either the person himself or the statement that he has just made is anti-Semitic, the poster (instead of denying or disproving the accusation) reacts in two different ways: One, he claims that the accuser is trying to "censor" him with the accusation of anti-Semitism. Two, he claims that he has the right to say whatever he wants because this is a free country and free speech is protected and how dare you say anything different.
This happens often when speaking on the Huffington Post of flagging posts or banning accounts. I remember when a notable Israel and Jew-hater known as "MemoryAlpha" was banned from the HP, many of his allies and friends claimed that he had been "censored" or "silenced." In other words, they were making the argument that even though there were dozens of people posting anti-Israel points of view on the HP talkbacks (including themselves), this one was banned for speaking out against the "Zionists". It had nothing to do with his comparing of Jews to Nazis or claiming that Zionism is a racist ideology.
The trouble with this line of "free speech" defense, both on the Huffington Post and in the case of the BDP, is that it is built upon a misunderstanding of what censorship means. Censorship means that it is the government who is stopping you from saying what you want. In the case of the BDP, the protestors are exercising their basic rights to free speech to call the BDP anti-Semitic and to request that the advertisers stop their funding accordingly. Same thing with the Huffington Post: If someone or something is being anti-Semitic, and the moderators ban them for it, that is not censorship. So to all of the lefties who don't like it when someone calls you anti-Semitic, don't hide behind the "it's a free country" defense. They have just as much of a right to call you on what you say as you do to say it.
So what concerns me is the way that Ms. O'Malley reacted to these accusations, which included a request that sponsors of the BDP withdraw their monetary contributions. She said:
“I have the old-fashioned basic liberal thing of believing that the remedy for speech you don’t like is more speech,” O’Malley, 69, told NYT. “If somebody says something you don’t like, say what you think. And I felt it a privilege here in my middle age to be in a position to make that happen.”
This is something that I see quite often among leftists, and occasionally in our discussions on the Huffington Post as well. Basically, when the accusation is made that either the person himself or the statement that he has just made is anti-Semitic, the poster (instead of denying or disproving the accusation) reacts in two different ways: One, he claims that the accuser is trying to "censor" him with the accusation of anti-Semitism. Two, he claims that he has the right to say whatever he wants because this is a free country and free speech is protected and how dare you say anything different.
This happens often when speaking on the Huffington Post of flagging posts or banning accounts. I remember when a notable Israel and Jew-hater known as "MemoryAlpha" was banned from the HP, many of his allies and friends claimed that he had been "censored" or "silenced." In other words, they were making the argument that even though there were dozens of people posting anti-Israel points of view on the HP talkbacks (including themselves), this one was banned for speaking out against the "Zionists". It had nothing to do with his comparing of Jews to Nazis or claiming that Zionism is a racist ideology.
The trouble with this line of "free speech" defense, both on the Huffington Post and in the case of the BDP, is that it is built upon a misunderstanding of what censorship means. Censorship means that it is the government who is stopping you from saying what you want. In the case of the BDP, the protestors are exercising their basic rights to free speech to call the BDP anti-Semitic and to request that the advertisers stop their funding accordingly. Same thing with the Huffington Post: If someone or something is being anti-Semitic, and the moderators ban them for it, that is not censorship. So to all of the lefties who don't like it when someone calls you anti-Semitic, don't hide behind the "it's a free country" defense. They have just as much of a right to call you on what you say as you do to say it.
Wednesday, November 25, 2009
Turkey Day Announcement
The Brothers of Judea will be taking a four day hiatus for the Thanksgiving weekend. For decoration, here's a picture of my dog:
Happy Thanksgiving!
Settlement Freeze!
Netanyahu's government has just announced that they are going to enforce a ten-month settlement freeze and use the time to resume peace talks. Netanyahu also called on the Palestinians to resume talks and called the move a "painful and far-reaching step," but a necessary one in the pursuit of peace. However, this is worth mentioning that the settlement freeze only applies to the West Bank, not East Jerusalem. But considering Netanyahu's coalition and what he has claimed in the past, this is a pretty big concessions.
Naturally, this move gains Israel no good will at all on the Huffington Post. Negative comments are already appearing with such remarks as "they are half-stepping," "this is meaningless," "is this a joke?" "this means absolutely nothing," "this only sounds like a good idea if you were born yesterday," etc. I don't have the inclination or the time to do a complete watch post on that thread, you can check it out yourself.
It's become clear to me at this point that nothing Israel does will ever satisfy many of the haters who post on the HP, which is just as well because Israel isn't trying to satisfy them. President Obama and the other world leaders are watching, and they are watching Israel make concession after concession in the hope that the Palestinians will reciprocate...but the Palestinians aren't budging. Sure, this announcement isn't what America wanted to happen, but considering that Netanyahu just a few months ago claimed that they would continue building despite Obama's reservations. How much longer can Abbas remain intransigent? Just yesterday he was complaining that Obama wasn't doing enough, yet he continues to be the one that won't resume peace talks. Sure, he can rely on the mindless support of the Israel-haters on the Huffington Post, but (as much as they might think so) they aren't the only people on the planet.
Naturally, this move gains Israel no good will at all on the Huffington Post. Negative comments are already appearing with such remarks as "they are half-stepping," "this is meaningless," "is this a joke?" "this means absolutely nothing," "this only sounds like a good idea if you were born yesterday," etc. I don't have the inclination or the time to do a complete watch post on that thread, you can check it out yourself.
It's become clear to me at this point that nothing Israel does will ever satisfy many of the haters who post on the HP, which is just as well because Israel isn't trying to satisfy them. President Obama and the other world leaders are watching, and they are watching Israel make concession after concession in the hope that the Palestinians will reciprocate...but the Palestinians aren't budging. Sure, this announcement isn't what America wanted to happen, but considering that Netanyahu just a few months ago claimed that they would continue building despite Obama's reservations. How much longer can Abbas remain intransigent? Just yesterday he was complaining that Obama wasn't doing enough, yet he continues to be the one that won't resume peace talks. Sure, he can rely on the mindless support of the Israel-haters on the Huffington Post, but (as much as they might think so) they aren't the only people on the planet.
HuffPoWatch: Israel Readying New Cutting-Edge Arms
This morning the Huffington Post published an article about the new defenses that Israel is creating, not only to defend against nuclear attack from Iran, but also from lower-tech rocket attacks. The vast majority of the article was talking about new tech that was strictly defensive in nature, including Iron Dome and a new upgrade to its Arrow defense system against nuclear strike. Unsprisingly, this led to an outpouring of hatred from the Huffington Posters, because it fits their politically-correct paradigm that Israel is trying to start yet another war, and the threats to them posed by other nations simply "aren't real" or otherwise dumbed down. We'll start with an interesting and anti-Semitic comment in the fully moderated talkback thread:
JackVandenBerg
Electronicsboys
JackVandenBerg
More Jewish Control of the Mainstream Media in America We Are Told Does Not Exist
By: Saladin
Tags:
* COVER-UP/DECEPTIONS/PROPAGANDA
It talks of “judicially sanctioned” killings done to “intimidate” the political opposition and to “quell pockets of ethnic unrest around the nation“. It goes on to point out in worried tones that “the trend” towards executions were a response to the “political tumult” following the June presidential election and that this month a “fifth person” connected to the protests was sentenced to death.
“Judicially sanctioned killings” designed to “intimidate” political opposition? Hmmmmm, now where have we heard about this before about a million, billion times?????
Oh yeah, that’s right IN ISRAEL, EVERY DAY FOR THE LAST 60 YEARS.
-So not only do we have what's basically slander, as it makes a false claim with absolutely no information to back it up, it contains the myth of Jewish control of the media. At least this time he was courageous enough not to pretend it was "Zionist" or "Israeli" control, he said what he thought. Or since it's a copy-and-paste bomb, what other people told him to think.
By: Saladin
Tags:
* COVER-UP/DECEPTIONS/PROPAGANDA
It talks of “judicially sanctioned” killings done to “intimidate” the political opposition and to “quell pockets of ethnic unrest around the nation“. It goes on to point out in worried tones that “the trend” towards executions were a response to the “political tumult” following the June presidential election and that this month a “fifth person” connected to the protests was sentenced to death.
“Judicially sanctioned killings” designed to “intimidate” political opposition? Hmmmmm, now where have we heard about this before about a million, billion times?????
Oh yeah, that’s right IN ISRAEL, EVERY DAY FOR THE LAST 60 YEARS.
-So not only do we have what's basically slander, as it makes a false claim with absolutely no information to back it up, it contains the myth of Jewish control of the media. At least this time he was courageous enough not to pretend it was "Zionist" or "Israeli" control, he said what he thought. Or since it's a copy-and-paste bomb, what other people told him to think.
Electronicsboys
That dubious ally continuously drags us into costly and bloody skirmishes. [Continuously?]
JackVandenBerg
[Even for the HuffPo, that's new.]
demos08
Americafirst2008
JackVandenBerg
These lying, thieving racists need to be pushed back to the original 67 borders.
There are millions of us world wide (non Muslims) who will get them if they attack Iran.
I am locked and loaded.
Enliberate
and I am glad that Iran is standing up to the aggressor Israel, and meeting them nuke for nuke. It's time that Israel stopped decimating their neighbors at the drop of a hat.
chirps
westreal
SpoonieLuv
originaldna There are millions of us world wide (non Muslims) who will get them if they attack Iran.
I am locked and loaded.
Enliberate
Do you really think this is all about defense? Israel has showed repeatedly that is seeks expansion into what it considers it's ancestral homeland. It has no real interest in a Palestinian nation. It's only objective at this point is power and control. Interesting that the new subs come from Germany.
washlib and I am glad that Iran is standing up to the aggressor Israel, and meeting them nuke for nuke. It's time that Israel stopped decimating their neighbors at the drop of a hat.
chirps
You know, I’ll bet there is one heck of a story about how our great “ally” Israel acquired the bomb. But like Israel’s cowardly, murderous attack upon the U.S.S. Liberty, it’s a story that the “American” mainstream media isn’t going to cover. We lose.
westreal
This country is always focused on fighting. If I lived in a crime ridden neighborhood and got mugged all the time I'd move. [This comment isn't so much hateful, but it is ridiculous.]
SpoonieLuv
Iran cannot afford to allow this beligerance from a nation that is bent on the destruction of the Iranian people. Just as we supposedly had the right to attack Iraq preemptively, so to does Iran. The only difference between our situation and Iran's is that Iran faces a very real and serious threat to its existence. Every day that Mr. Ahmedinejad delays the defence of his nation and his people is a day that the enemy grows stronger.
TheIvoryPoacher
x76
To hell with Israel. They are a threat to everyone in the world.
SiberianRat TheIvoryPoacher
Everyday it gets harder and harder to defend Israels actions, but stories like these make me feel a little less obligated to do so.
Preemption anyone?x76
Let's think... a religious-psycho nation which refuses UN inspections of its nuclear facilities and is not a signatory to the NNPT... which has WMDs and the means to deploy them over an area which includes southern Europe... nuclear missiles? Submarines with nuclear missiles?
Let's suppose that the world wakes up one day and determines that Israel is, in fact, the cause of the woes in the middle east and, as a single body, requests changes from Israel. To hell with Israel. They are a threat to everyone in the world.
Are you kidding? Do you actually want to do a comparison of the number of people killed by Hezbollah vs. the wanton destruction of Lebanon and mass slaughter of their civilians more than once? Hezbollah shouldn't be launching terrorist attacks on anyone, but you cannot begin to pretend that poor little Israel sits across the border and wouldn't hurt a flea.
So Khazars have new toys, I hope they are saving some of that 4 billion they get each year from the American tax payers because when the US falls the crimes they have committed in the past will visit them.
And here is the kicker Castro is one of them.[Even for the HuffPo, that's new.]
demos08
In Israel, the fear card is permanently dealt.
[response] neobuster
because overwhelming majority of israelis believe it has served them just fine.
thye'll have no one else to blame for their demise.
[Racism]
[response]SiberianRat
SiberianRat
thye'll have no one else to blame for their demise.
[Racism]
[response]SiberianRat
And the antisemitism card--if we don't support their aggression, we must be antisemitic.
SiberianRat
What's the genesis of Hezbollah? Hmm...I do believe they formed to counter the Israeli war crimes (supported by Reagan) in the early 80s. Just like Reagan also funded the mujahadeen in Afghanistan. The right wing sows seeds and then complains when they sprout.
washlib
kentah
washlib
or just maybe Iran wants nuclear power for their citizens. 1srael(or more clearly, the z1onists) need to be taken down a notch or 3, and start treating the Palestinians and their neighbors WITH RESPECT.
kentah
They do but they certainly are no ally. In order to be an ally with another state both states must have defined their borders [interesting logic], Israel has not done so and therefore is not an ally of the US, a tacit ally yeah, an ally in media stories yeah, but a legal ally, no, and they act like [link]
liberalNmoderation
That would be a step forward in that region for sure...but Israel needs to stop treating the Palenstinians like animals.
The best US taxdollars can buy.
Think about it, if they trick us into attacking IRan, our economy tanks, they take out Iran and don't spend a penny doing it, they keep the $8 billion a year in welfare from the US taxpayer.
What do we gain from attacking Iran? $150/bbl oil, more unemployment and another Trillion dollars in debt to pass to our grandchildren.
Macready
Think about it, if they trick us into attacking IRan, our economy tanks, they take out Iran and don't spend a penny doing it, they keep the $8 billion a year in welfare from the US taxpayer.
What do we gain from attacking Iran? $150/bbl oil, more unemployment and another Trillion dollars in debt to pass to our grandchildren.
Macready
I am so tired of israel's war mongering . . . .it is an excuse not to return the land that rightly belongs to the Palestinians back to the Palestinians . . . it is time to get the israeli's to disclose their nuclear arsenal, shut up and start obeying international law . . . and drop the victim routine . . .
lechatnoir
mulegenio
pcheetahpea
Wozzeck
lechatnoir
More insane chest thumping from everybody's favorite paper tiger.
david5000
david5000
They seem over confident, I believe Iran will surprise them with a blast from hell and shock the life out of them.
For sometime now, israel want the us to get the full brunt of a nuclear hit first, not this time, israel has to do the job itself if it has the guts, I think isreal will regret any stupid move that can cause a destruction of the entire middle east including israel. [Not so much anti-Semitism as WTF-ism.] mulegenio
A characteristic 180 degree distortion of reality "Israel defending itself..." Yeah, right. Iran represents no existential threat whatsoever to U.S. welfare recipient #1. Iran is a hindrance to U.S. dominance in Central Asia and the Persian Gulf and to Israeli hegemony in the greater Middle East, so that is why it must be villified, demonized, bullied and threatened with nuclear-yes-NUCLEAR-annihilation at the hands of "the only democracy in the Middle East" by none other than that great humanitarian Benny Morris (no doubt speaking on behalf of the regime).
As the years go by, fewer and fewer people are being suckered into the myth of " brave little Israel under attack by Arab (now insert 'Persian') hordes who want to drive her into the sea."
The fact is that Israel has, even since 1948 always possessed military superiority over her adversaries thanks to military aid from the European nations-first Czechslovakia and France, now her (once) rich Uncle Sam.
[Responses include "co-sign," "well said," "roger that," and "good post." Also...]As the years go by, fewer and fewer people are being suckered into the myth of " brave little Israel under attack by Arab (now insert 'Persian') hordes who want to drive her into the sea."
The fact is that Israel has, even since 1948 always possessed military superiority over her adversaries thanks to military aid from the European nations-first Czechslovakia and France, now her (once) rich Uncle Sam.
pcheetahpea
mulegino,
Good post but you forgot that Isreal stole $2.3 trillion dollars from the Pentagon when Dov Zakheim was comptroller under Bush/Rumsfeld. That money went missing and Zakheim, an ordained "rabbi" holds dual American/Isreali citizenship. Like Emmanual, like Lieberman, these traitors [by traitors he can only mean "Jews"] are a danger to America and the world. The money has never been accounted for.
Good post but you forgot that Isreal stole $2.3 trillion dollars from the Pentagon when Dov Zakheim was comptroller under Bush/Rumsfeld. That money went missing and Zakheim, an ordained "rabbi" holds dual American/Isreali citizenship. Like Emmanual, like Lieberman, these traitors [by traitors he can only mean "Jews"] are a danger to America and the world. The money has never been accounted for.
Wozzeck
A tried and true propaganda formula: Israel's arms are only for defense against Iran. Iran's arms are only for offense against Israel.
SiberianRat
Not true. Most civilized nations spend more of their money and efforts on things like education, infrastructure, etc. [The US at least spends most of it's money on weapons/military. He implies here that Israel is not a civilized nation for wanting to keep its people alive.]
ChumpChicken
Does this mean more Muslims will die by the hands of the Zionists armed with US weapons??
Macready
[response] but of course . . . . sick isn't it . . . so much for peace in the Middle East . . .. Obama has to pull the plug on israel big time . . . and the time is now!
fr33d0mhawk
fr33d0mhawk
Wait a minute! I thought the reason why the US was showering Israel with billions in socialist wealth redistribution [that's a new one] was because Israel bought only US military equipment. When will the US stop redistribution of our wealth to Israel so they can afford national health care, but we in the US can't afford our own? Welfare for Israel is one of those beams in the eye of the Teabagger party.
[Responses include "excellent," "fanned," "well said!" etc]
[Responses include "excellent," "fanned," "well said!" etc]
Huffington Post Talkback, circa 1941
"Can we just talk for a minute about all this aid we are sending to Britain? It has to be millions if not billions of dollars at this point. It's ridiculous! We just got out of a depression, and we need that money here! No, I don't care that we give money to other places too! I want to know why we're helping Britain with this Hitler guy. He's their problem, not ours. We need to look out for our own interests, and Britain's interests and ours don't coincide in the least! Hitler is Europe's problem, it doesn't have anything to do with us. We're spending valuable American treasure and blood to prop up a racist, colonialist entity. and I for one won't stand for it!"
"What's that? You claim that Hitler wants to conquer the world? Ridiculous! Preposterous! He must have been mistranslated. And I don't want to hear claims about what his forces are doing to the people who they conquer. There's no evidence of anything going wrong, and if you have any I want to see them. Besides, can you imagine the horrible suffering inflicted on the innocent German populations by those awful British? Remember, they are our allies and they are doing it with our money and our weapons! Truly, the shame that the US plays in this massacre will play on our consciences for generations. We need to cut off this so-called "ally" right here and now. Once they no longer have a big brother backing them up they'll make peace immediately and this whole silly war will end. Besides, what have the British done for us lately? Need I remind anyone that they burned down the White House in 1812? They're not our real allies."
"And let's not forget: The British brought this on themselves. If they hadn't treated the Germans so badly in the Treaty of Versailles in 1918 none of this would ever have happened. Of course the Germans would have been mad after being treated like that, even though they didn't even start the war! The British reap what they sow, they die by the sword. Besides, they're colonialist and racist, aren't they? They deserve to be hung out to dry, we shouldn't associate ourselves with them. Maybe this Hitler guy would open up a little bit and mellow out if only we opened some trade relations with him and gave him a little bit of respect, you know? He's just misunderstood, there's no need to get all militant just because he invaded a couple of countries and dissolved democracy in his home country. War is not the answer!
"Why yes, I am from San Francisco. Why do you ask?"
"What's that? You claim that Hitler wants to conquer the world? Ridiculous! Preposterous! He must have been mistranslated. And I don't want to hear claims about what his forces are doing to the people who they conquer. There's no evidence of anything going wrong, and if you have any I want to see them. Besides, can you imagine the horrible suffering inflicted on the innocent German populations by those awful British? Remember, they are our allies and they are doing it with our money and our weapons! Truly, the shame that the US plays in this massacre will play on our consciences for generations. We need to cut off this so-called "ally" right here and now. Once they no longer have a big brother backing them up they'll make peace immediately and this whole silly war will end. Besides, what have the British done for us lately? Need I remind anyone that they burned down the White House in 1812? They're not our real allies."
"And let's not forget: The British brought this on themselves. If they hadn't treated the Germans so badly in the Treaty of Versailles in 1918 none of this would ever have happened. Of course the Germans would have been mad after being treated like that, even though they didn't even start the war! The British reap what they sow, they die by the sword. Besides, they're colonialist and racist, aren't they? They deserve to be hung out to dry, we shouldn't associate ourselves with them. Maybe this Hitler guy would open up a little bit and mellow out if only we opened some trade relations with him and gave him a little bit of respect, you know? He's just misunderstood, there's no need to get all militant just because he invaded a couple of countries and dissolved democracy in his home country. War is not the answer!
"Why yes, I am from San Francisco. Why do you ask?"
HuffPo User Profile: Americafirst2008
As the "hate Israel" crowd goes on the Huffington Post talkbacks, Americafirst2008 is strictly small time. He pops up only every now and then, spews some hatred and then moves on. He's notable for two major reasons: First of all, he appears to be somewhat conservative in his mindset. His hatred of Israel is motivated not by a politically correct liberal paradigm but instead by his desire for America to take care of itself and only itself. His ranting is therefore principally against US aid to Israel, claims about Israeli spies, "traitors" in America who disagree with him that Israel isn't totally evil, and so forth. Going through his posts, it has been made clear at this point that he is a card-carrying anti-Semite, as he makes it clear his problem is with Israel and the Jews and only with them. This is matched by attacks on the memory of the Holocaust and his favorite insult "judeofascists," equating Jews with Nazis without the slightest hesitation.
Update: This user has since been banned from the Huffington Post.
Second, AF2008 goes to other threads such as ones about Chinese spying and US-Canada relations to preach his anti-Israel rhetoric. This makes the comments off topic, which is even further a violation of the code of conduct, and yet they continue anyway. Read the comments belong and you'll find even more goodies.
Americafirst2008 has been active since December of last year. He has 198 posts at this time, and 20 fans. Most of his posts appear to be anti-Israel in nature, so get ready for a long haul. I should point out that he repeats himself quite often, and I don't copy posts with the same message over and over, so he actually has more here than he seems:
Jewish Nationalists Clash with Palestinians
Update: This user has since been banned from the Huffington Post.
Second, AF2008 goes to other threads such as ones about Chinese spying and US-Canada relations to preach his anti-Israel rhetoric. This makes the comments off topic, which is even further a violation of the code of conduct, and yet they continue anyway. Read the comments belong and you'll find even more goodies.
Americafirst2008 has been active since December of last year. He has 198 posts at this time, and 20 fans. Most of his posts appear to be anti-Israel in nature, so get ready for a long haul. I should point out that he repeats himself quite often, and I don't copy posts with the same message over and over, so he actually has more here than he seems:
Jewish Nationalists Clash with Palestinians
Why do we give these racist orthodox settlers $8 billion a year of US Taxpayer money?
Nice to know these racists have free healthcare, while half of Americans go without. We pay for these settlers to get subsidized homes and swimming pools, all while they commit crimes against humanity and display a disgusting sense of religious and racial superiority.
Judeofacists never did anything for America, we need to keep our tax dollars at home rather than fund these racists. These facists don't deserve to have a higher standard of living than Americans, whose tax dollars are squandered on these thugs.
Let me guess, the huffpo censors will stop this and only allow me to post if I throw in bogus and stupid terms like islamofacist (which makes no sense), or if I use the misquote of what the figurehead president of Iran said about Israel.
Nice to know these racists have free healthcare, while half of Americans go without. We pay for these settlers to get subsidized homes and swimming pools, all while they commit crimes against humanity and display a disgusting sense of religious and racial superiority.
Judeofacists never did anything for America, we need to keep our tax dollars at home rather than fund these racists. These facists don't deserve to have a higher standard of living than Americans, whose tax dollars are squandered on these thugs.
Let me guess, the huffpo censors will stop this and only allow me to post if I throw in bogus and stupid terms like islamofacist (which makes no sense), or if I use the misquote of what the figurehead president of Iran said about Israel.
Joe Lieberman's Anti-Public Option Rationale Keeps Shifting
Lieberman, supporting the taxpayers of .... Israel At US taxpayer expense. Why do we pay billions so Israelis' can have free health care while American Families go without? Answer, because of traitors like Lieberman.
posted Nov 24, 2009 at 11:36:31
Iran Begins War Games To Protect Nuclear Facilities
If you loved the Bills from Iraq and Afghanistan $1.5 TRILLION and counting, you'll love the devastating economic fallout from a stupid attack on Iran. We can't afford public health care but we spent $58 billion on Iraqi infrastructure that was either not built or so shoddy it'll not last a year. So attacking Iran gets us another massive bill, while the Israeli's who keep pushing us into this stupid action will continue to get $8 billion in taxpayer dollars without spending a penny of their own. Sounds like a great idea. how about we just look at the is from a dollars and cents perspective, we have enough domestic problems. How about investing in American education and healthcare for once. Iran is no threat to America and attacking them on Israel's behalf is a much, much bigger threat to our families and economy. Simply they can have their nuclear power plants, who cares, why should we have to further mortgage our children's future for the sake of a little racist, country like Israel?
posted Nov 23, 2009 at 10:36:10
China Slams US Report Warning Of Spying By Beijing
Might want to check with the Israelis if you want to see who and where the most dangerous spies in America are from. (See pollard)
posted Nov 23, 2009 at 10:30:35
China Slams US Report Warning Of Spying By Beijing
the most active spies in America are from ISRAEL. Take a look at Pollard, his handlers were never prosecuted, look at Harman and Rosen, Franklin and AIPAC. Pollard is worshipped as a hero in Israel, and what did he do? he funnelled our most secret defense secrets to the Israelis who handed them to the Russians. So here we have a traitor who is viewed as a hero for getting our assets in Russia killed and selling out our national security. Seems like the pervasive spying of Israel is more dangerous than anything we have going on. It's dangerous given the access that some of these foreign agents are willingly given by our corrupt politicians.
posted Nov 23, 2009 at 10:05:31
EasyJet Causes Controversy With Holocaust Memorial Fashion Shoot
70 million people of all faiths died in WWII. Many non-jews were killed in the concentration camps, including gays, gypsies, catholic priests who were found to be helping jews. Please remember this fact as it's typically pushed to the back in favor of this all to famous 6 Million number. The tragedies of WWII should be remembered but using them for political purposes is disgusting. [Offensive language involving the Holocaust + anti-Israel rhetoric...]
posted Nov 22, 2009 at 13:02:30
Israel Angers U.S. With Plan To Build New Homes In The West Bank
So why does Israel need Billions in US taxpayer money if it's such and advanced state? Why do we give them more aid than any African Country? It's welfare and it's used to fund racist orthodox settlers and Judeofacists and it must stop. Your logic makes Israel the millonair that continues to steal from the take a penny, leave a penny tray. if they can live without US tax dollars, then let them do so. Until then we have right to tell them to shut the hell up and stop their racist, apartheid policies. Settlers are the worst breed of racist, the things they say about non-jews are disgusting and there is a real sense of religious superiority in Israel, not unlike 1930s Germany.
posted Nov 18, 2009 at 10:36:37
[Straight up anti-Semitism and hate speech here.]Adolf Storms, Former SS Sergeant, Charged In Germany For Nazi-Era Crimes
Please add Netenyahu to the list of war criminals while you're at it. We don't have to wait until he's 90 as the evidence is overwhelming.
posted Nov 18, 2009 at 09:46:43
[Comparing Netanyahu to a Nazi.]
Israel Angers U.S. With Plan To Build New Homes In The West Bank
The US taxpayer gives Israel $ 8 billion a year. ISrael has public health care, Americans do not. American interests are not served by the racist orthodox settlers, when we ask them to stop they give us the finger. The question is why are we asking? We should be telling them to stand down and lay down the law. We have no problem threatening to wipe other countries off the face of the earth but we treat Israel with Kid gloves even when they are actively working against American Interest. To the racist settlers, americans not of their radical religious beliefs are simply infidels with a checkbook. Sad isn't it?
posted Nov 18, 2009 at 09:25:20
Canada Plans Afghanistan Withdrawal
Hey at least the Canadians put some skin in the game and were with us from day one. Let's see the Israelis who we give billions to each year contribute nothing except for trying to push into an economically devastating war with Iran. The Canadians are tough as nails and are true friends, unlike the two faced Israelis. The only reason our troops are dying in Afghanistan is for the energy pipeline route, which Israel also wants to get it's hands on, without contributing a dime. 9/11 was planned in the US not afghanistan, so the terror excuse is pretty thin.
posted Nov 06, 2009 at 18:01:33
[Remember, this is in a thread that has *nothing to do* with Israel. Notice the conspiracy theory too, maybe he's not as right-wing as I thought.]
Hillary Clinton: US Wants Israel To Stop Building West Bank Settlements 'Forever'
She might as well go into middle east 'peace' meetings wearing a huge star of david and an 'i love israel' t-shirt. Her and Dennis Ross are essentially Israeli lawyers looking out for their interests ahead of American strategic and security interests.
posted Nov 04, 2009 at 14:17:58
Hamas Missiles Can Strike Tel Aviv, Says Israel MI Chief
Israeli clusterbombs can hit any child in gaza or lebanon
posted Nov 04, 2009 at 11:17:44
Leadership, Lieberman Deny He Has Dropped His Filibuster Threat
The senator from ISrael is content to let Israel's have universal health care, which is funded with the annual billions is US taxdollars we givethem [it's not.]. But Americans apparently don't deserve the same. Raises some pretty interesting questions. [Like, where do you get this stuff?]
posted Nov 03, 2009 at 12:10:19
Ha'aretz Columnist Asks Obama To Stop "Sucking Up To Israel"
Don't forget all the so called Jewish 'charities' that funnel billions in US taxdollars to Israel. Half of them have shady goals and they are more often than not fronts for money laundering. Don't forget our interest free loans our our guarantees to supply Israel's army with fuel. It's really closer to $8billion
posted Nov 02, 2009 at 15:49:00
Israelis Brace Themselves For War With Iran
Sure Israel will start it but American taxpayers will be left with the trillion dollar hangover for the mess that an attack on Iran would cause. Our young men and women would do the fighting and dying while the settlers and racists count the billions in taxdollars they have come to expect from big dumb brother america.
posted Nov 02, 2009 at 10:38:08
Lieberman: "Nothing" Better Than Public Option (VIDEO)
SIMPLY TIE THE PULIC OPTION TO THE $8 BILLION IN OUR TAXDOLLARS THAT WE SEND TO ISRAEL EACH YEAR. THE HONOURABLE SENATOR FROM ISRAEL WILL THEN HAVE NO CHOICE. THIS GUY IS A TRAITOR TO HIS STATE AND HIS COUNTRY.
posted Nov 02, 2009 at 09:51:42
[Notice how the thread is about healthcare, not about Israel. At this point, it's clear that AF2008 just has a problem with Lieberman. Even though there are many senators and Congressmen who support Israel and are against healthcare, none get these accusations of "traitor." Only the Jewish one.]
Iran: Uranium Counteroffer Draws Harsh Rebuke
Who can blame Iran. YOU CAN'T TRUST THE FRENCH!!!!! Americans should also learn that you can't trust Israel either. Israeli rhetoric and warmongering will lead our stupid politicians to once again put Israel's interests (A FOREIGN RELIGIOUS STATE) before American interests. We can ill afford another war for Israel in the Middle east. Think a public healthcare option expensive, wait until you get a tab for bombing Iran, it'll be in the trillions, but the israeli's will continue to get billions in US Taxdollars so what do they care.
posted Oct 30, 2009 at 13:58:38
[He's starting to sound like a broken record now, and this is only the first page.]
Lieberman: I'd Filibuster Final Bill Over Public Option
All we have to do is attach a memo to public option that states Israel is the greatest country in the world and this traitor will come on board. Problem solved. When he's not actively selling us out to the Israeli's he's selling out the citizens of the US who are the only industrialized country in the world without a public option, but strangely spend more than those countries that provide public health care on all of their citizens.
posted Oct 27, 2009 at 16:01:42
[More anti-Lieberman ranting.]
Harsh Gaza Report Creates New Obstacles For Obama
Where there's white phosphorus, there's war crimes. hopefully this will spur the global community into action like what happened in South Africa in the apartheid days.
posted Oct 15, 2009 at 09:34:51
[Impeccable logic.]
Harsh Gaza Report Creates New Obstacles For Obama
TRUTH HURTS RIGHT iSRAEL? Apartheid must end in ISrael as it did in south Africa. Bravo to Goldstone for having the bravery to tell the truth. Watch the judeofascists and racist settlers pull out all the stops to assassinate his character and invoke certain irrelevant events of world war II
posted Oct 15, 2009 at 09:33:02
Glenn Beck Compares Fox News To Jews During Holocaust (AUDIO)
Playing the victim card, what a sissy. Guess his Judeofacist buddies have been giving him tips on how to play this card and use the 'H' word whenever it is convenient to deflect criticism
posted Oct 14, 2009 at 11:58:54
Orly Taitz: Washington Post Profiles 'Birther Queen'
Here's the connection. WHore1y is an Orthodox racist. Members of her sect are extremely racist and if you see some of the things they say about blacks and our President you'd see the connection. As i said before she can go back to Israel and check Lieberman's 'proof' of membership in the Tribe.
posted Oct 06, 2009 at 11:59:56
Majority Of American Jews Think U.S. Should Strike Iran: Poll
Israel first Zionists are Traitors.
posted Oct 01, 2009 at 17:42:43
Iran Nuclear Warheads: Are They Being Designed?
Silly Gentiles, don't you know that Israel's national security and economic interests always trump yours? Thanks for the $10billion a year and keep it coming, also if you could send us some more young troops to fight Iran we'd appreciate that so nice Jewish boys won't have to risk their lives. We're also enjoying the free health care and your best military hardware and loan guarantees. Also don't look into those 'charities' because we need that money for settlements. Take out big bad Iran, do it, do it. After all who cares if your citizens face hardship, as long as the chosen people are taken care of at your expense who cares?
posted Sep 29, 2009 at 12:15:45
On Iran, Obama Should Forget Sanctions And Push For Cooperation: Analysis
Brilliant and rational piece. Why the hell do we feel it's a good idea to burn trillions of our taxdollars? Who gisve a crap if they have a reactor, Iran is not a threat to us. It only becomes a threat if we let the Judeofacists and war hawks provoke another disaster like Iraq in Iran. Talking isn't weakness, if the goal is US national security and the security of it's interests, military threats will and actions by Israel or us will lead to severe reductions in our security and tremendous economic consequences which will hit American families hard.
posted Sep 29, 2009 at 12:11:26
Obama: Iran Has Secret Nuclear Facility
As long as it's not Islamofacists that have nuclear energy it's all good. JUDEOFACISTS ARE FREE TO BUILD AS MANY BOMBS AS THEY WANT. America, screwing itself over for religious fanatics for over 50 year.
posted Sep 25, 2009 at 12:31:01
Obama, Netanyahu, Abbas Meeting: Share Your Views (SLIDESHOW)
What are we getting for our hundreds of billions in taxdollars given to Israel? More wars for religious jewish fanatics and more enemies, and compromised American security. All from our 'best friend" Israel HERE ARE THE FACTS ABOUT HOW MUCH WE GIVE ISRAEL, EVEN THOUGH THEY GIVE US THE FINGER AT EVERY TURN http://www.rense.com/general31/rege.htm
posted Sep 23, 2009 at 17:10:10
Ahmadinejad: Obama Should Read Up On History And See Iran As Friend
Notice how this post is not moderated but any post, including one about Israeli crimes against humanity is Fully moderated (aka censored). what the f?
posted Sep 23, 2009 at 12:38:02
West Bank Settlements Become Havens Of Israeli Surburbanites
This issue could be solved pretty quickly if America Treated Israel like a the foreign welfare case that it is. First of all, Israel works actively against the national security and strategic interests of America. America should look out for it's security as much as the Israelis do. That would involve cutting off aid and playing hardball, forcing AIPAC to register as an agent of a foreign government and telling the spoiled child to make some real sacrafices to ensure American security and interests are protected. Why do American taxpayers and soldiers have to make all the concessions and take all the risks for the sake of Israel?. This albatross is expensive and will continue to lead us down a path of bankruptcy and terrorism. When someone keeps telling you that they are your best friend, as Israel does constantly it generally means the opposite. Think about it, does your best friend keep telling you, 'we're best friends and you have no better friend than me' ? If they did you'd find it creepy and the 'friend' is most likely screwing you over behind your back.
posted Sep 22, 2009 at 09:19:05
[Did you get that? It's intolerable that Israel should ask America to take risk to protect Israel, but Israel should take risks for American interests. Awesome.]
Ahmadinejad: Holocaust Denial A Source Of Pride
If you think public healthcare for all Americans is expensive, you'll love getting the bill for another useless war for Israel on Iran. So because of the Holocaust we pay $8billion to Israelis in US taxpayer dollars so they can have free health care and subsidized homes. I think America has done more than it's fair share, often bending over backwards and compromising it's own security for the foreign nation of Israel. Don't forget 70 million people died in WWII, suffering isn't exclusive to one group nor does it give the victim the right to behave in the same criminal ways as the nazis.
posted Sep 21, 2009 at 19:34:50
Israel: UN Gaza Report "Makes A Mockery Of History"
1400 dead Gazans, the IDF burned homes, bombed non-military targets and continue a form of collective punishment not seen since the days of WWII. All this 'never again' talk is disingenuous, unless it's means 'never again' unless jews get to be the oppressors. Funny how history repeats itself, with the horror stories of the holocaust and apartheid being played out by perennial victim Israel. Americans who favor Israel over American interests are traitors. Israel is not America and has proven that they don't care about American interests, no matter how much they repeat over and over again that they are our best friend. If they were our best friend they wouldn't have to keep saying it.
posted Sep 16, 2009 at 17:45:47
It's the corruption, stupid!
Rep Harman , will want America to fight as many wars as necessary to keep Israel safe, even if that hurts America. AIPAC pulls her strings, take a look at the recordings. It's shameful.
posted Sep 12, 2009 at 11:05:32
Ahmadinejad: Iran "Will Never Negotiate" Over Nuclear Rights
Iran never threatened Israel with Annihilation, that bogus misquote is still no reason to advocate murdering thousands of Iranians. Israel constantly threatens Iran with military exercises and threats from their US congress slaves. Speaking of religious fanatics have you seen the Israeli settlers? The racism and hatred they've been spewing about non-jews and our President makes the KKK look mild. War with Iran will do the US no good, it will in fact harm our interests and destroy any hope of an economic recovery. THE ONLY QUESTION ONE SHOULD ASK IS WHAT WILL WAR WITH IRAN GAIN FOR THE AVERAGE AMERICAN? MASSIVE DEBT, HIGH OIL PRICES AND DEAD YOUNG AMERICAN SOLDIERS. THE ONLY WINNERS, ISRAELIS AND THEIR RELIGIOUS FANATIC SETTLERS.
posted Sep 08, 2009 at 09:04:43
Poland Marks 70th Anniversary Of World War II
Such a tragedy, remember 60 million people of all religions died in WWII. and the Poles suffered greatly under Hitler. No one group has a monopoly on suffering from WWII [Hint, hint.]
posted Sep 01, 2009 at 11:48:55
Yale University Press Refuses To Publish Danish Cartoons Depicting Prophet Muhammed
[In a thread that has nothing to do with Israel or Jews.] They should publish the pictures. But on the other side of the coin there is also widespread censorship and character assasination from the Zionist crazies. Look how they freaked out when Mearsheimer and Walt published a very well researched and academic book on the Lobby. Look at Daniel Pipes' gestapo tactics on campuses all across America, where he maligns all muslims as racists and tries to suppress any criticism of israel. There is widespread abuse on campuses across this country and it happens on both sides.
posted Aug 27, 2009 at 08:16:01
Obama On Brink Of Deal For Middle East Peace Talks
Good, now kick out all those racist zionist colonists from the occupied territories. Then make sure our $8billion in US taxdollars that provides healthcare and weapons for Israelis goes towards AMERICANS for a change. Tell this petulant child to smarten up because it's tantrums and beating of the war drums are annoying and certainly not in our interests.
posted Aug 26, 2009 at 09:48:43
Gaza Play By Chris Gunness, UN Official, Draws Ire In Israel
Isra el brought to you by American Taxpayer Dollars. The UN is not a perfect institution but Israel is an apartheid state. They can point fingers at other countries and say 'see they are worse than us' but tell me which country's citizens get more per capita in US taxdollars? Tell me how our interests are the same as Israels? A war with Iran would kill our economy and put millions out of work, but those Israelis would feel safer. All for the low low cost of a few trillion more Taxpayer dollars.
posted Aug 25, 2009 at 11:51:30
Sweden: Editor Denies Anti-Semitism Charges, Gov't Refuses To Condemn Anti-Israel Article
The Hate Crimes legislation is being pushed by the ADL and AIPAC. It's trying to create two tiers of justice, one for Jews and one for non-jews. So it's not okay to criticize Israel because it's a hate crime but it's okay to malign all muslims and non-jews as anti-semetic racists. All these efforts to silence debate means something smells and the israeli government and the racist radical colonists are full of despicable and hateful elements. Israel is not beyond reproach, it's annoying because they keep asking us to give and give and that they are our best friends. When we politely ask them not to do something against our interests they cry anti-semetism. It's a tired act and clearly used for sneaky political purposes to stifle free speech and push propoganda.
posted Aug 25, 2009 at 11:47:52
Huckabee In Israel: A Palestinian State Within Holy Land "Unrealistic"
Silly Huckabee, you're just a little, little Gentile, and since you're not of the chosen religion you are only good for little PR stunts and lobbying your government to send Israel Billions more each year. Let's see, we can't give every American health care, but we can send billions to a country that wants to get us into another war, and can provide free health care to it's citizens thanks to US Taxpayers. Just ridiculous. Hey Huckabee, you work for the US get you butt back here and try allocating those billions we give to Israel to American Taxpayers so they can get healthcare.
posted Aug 18, 2009 at 09:51:58
2,500 Israeli Settlement Housing Units Approved By US: Israeli Newspaper
It's funny how our politicians hide in a secluded room and don't mention that we just paid $3 billion to Israel in our taxdollars so they could fund these types of settlements California is broke but Israeli racists get free homes? Who do our politicians work for? $3billion a year would go a long way to helping suffering Americans rather than religious fanatics.
posted Jul 09, 2009 at 10:04:00
[Is this starting to get a little reptitive yet?]
Biden Israel-Iran Statements Cause Storm Of Regional Responses
Biden who do you work for? Letting Israel bomb Iran and giving them weapons, and billions in US taxdollars pretty much puts us in the war. Along with your pledges of allegiance to israel over America what do you think would happen? Our economy would be even more devastated, our military would be crushed and stretched too thin and ordinary Americans would suffer greatly. Not to mention thousands of murdered iranians. Who do you work for Mr. Biden? You like to come off as Joe Everyman but you kneel and kiss Israel's butts, even when their interests are contrary to America's.
posted Jul 07, 2009 at 11:25:35
Gilad Shalit: 3 Years In Captivity Marked By Student Rally
It was also the 42nd anniversary of the USS Liberty where brave US seamen were gunned down in cold blood.
posted Jun 16, 2009 at 12:01:08
Bill Clinton: Netanyahu Speech Is Just Opening Act
Maybe the Palestinians could counter by Asking Israel to become a real democracy, give up it's nuclear weapons and sign the NPT, and give equal rights to all citizens, not just the jewish ones.
posted Jun 15, 2009 at 20:10:31
Jane Harman: Napolitano Should Kill Spy Satellite Office
Jane Harman should have all security clearances revoked. Selling out to Israel the us gov't also let two aipac spies off the hook. We go after cuban spies with full force but Israeli spies get zero penalities and carte blanche to do as they please, it's disgusting. [Pollard is still imprisoned after twenty years.] Had this been a government worker, they'd be in jail right now. If that worker was muslim they'd probably be facing the death penality. It's okay to sell out our national interests to Israel, after all they'll look out for our interests and would never, ever use our secrets to trade with our enemies or squees more taxdollars out of us.
posted Jun 12, 2009 at 10:23:25
Secret Israeli Report: Venezuela, Bolivia Supplying Iran With Uranium For Its Nuclear Program
SOUND FAMILIAR? "YELLOW CAKE FROM NIGERIA" THE DUBIOUS CLAIM USED TO JUSTIFY THE DISASTEROUS WAR IN IRAQ, NOW ISRAEL WANTS US TO BLOW ANOTHER FEW TRILLION AND THOUSANDS OF AMERICAN LIVES FOR THEM? If we fall for these lies again it will go down in history as the day the American empire sealed it's fate for good. We can't afford another war, especially another war based on lies and for Israel, a foreign country. We give them billions each year in tax dollars but they want our sons and daughters to do the dying, afterall they ain't jewish.
posted May 26, 2009 at 07:47:23
Harman: "Maybe I'm Even Wiretapped Now"
Israel wants us to sacrafice more of our Tax dollars to start a disasterous war with Iran. Iran is not the greatest threat to America, no how much the Israel Firsters like Harman want us to believe it. The greatest threat is if we spend trillions on another useless war which buys our children nothing but economic dispair, a destroyed military and dead young soldiers. israel by spying on us and stealing our secrets is trying to pus us into another stupid war for their religious fanatics. It's a lot easier if other 'Goyim' do the fighting and use their money right? Harman is a traitor and if they let AIPAC and her off the hook it will be a travesty. Who knows what other US secrets she and other Israel firsters have passed on to Israel. Look how arrogant netenayahu is to our president, it's like he feels he runs our country. Time to cut off our Billions and Billions in US taxdollars that this traitorous welfare state receives from us each year. What do we get in return for unquestioned support for Israel, Lies, spies and a war bill that our grandkids' kids will have to pay.
posted Apr 22, 2009 at 12:40:25
Obama's Secret Letter To Medvedev Offered Deal On Missiles
How about this one Obama, Send a letter to the Russians but insert 'ISRAEL' and their 200 confirmed nuclear weapons!!!!! Who poses the bigger threat to the US? It's clear that we are being used for our $8 billion in taxpayer dollars each year. Israel is weathering the economic meltdown nicely courtesy of our taxpayer dollars. Why does that country receive the most US tax dollars when it contributes zero to us?
posted Mar 03, 2009 at 07:34:39
Iran: Strategy and Tactics
Dennis Ross is Israel's lawyer, he's firmly biased in favour of Israel and incapable of being an objective envoy. Look at his record and involvement in the middle east so far. He just ran to the Israelis and spilled the beans on everything the other side was saying, not exactly an honest broker. Obama's diplomacy will be a joke if we let AIPAC Ross run the show.
posted Feb 03, 2009 at 10:09:59
Israel Rules Out Hamas Contacts, Threatens Force
Cut off our $8 billion a year in aid and weapons to Israel and force these crybabies to negotiate a settlement. Get over it, you need to stop bleeding American dry, this isn't 1930's Germany, in fact Israel with it's 200 nukes has become an apartheid state worse than South Africa was. Israel keeps saying they are our best friend but when one examines the relationship it's hard to see how they have helped us. We pay $1500 a year for each citizen yet they continue to run the most active spy program in America, undermine our foreign policy and continue to tarnish our repuatation globally.
posted Feb 03, 2009 at 10:05:24
Reacting to French Anti-Semitism
Seriously, the IDF just gunned down 4 CHILDREN! who cares about graffitti on a synagogue, that can be repaired, Dead kids don't come back. So please don't try to play the victim over minor vandalism, I think the hungry, shell shocked and maimed children have a lot more to worry about than some french jews. Sadly we pay $8 billion a year to Israel so they can build settlements and buy bombs. This is like us paying for a white south african a house on a black's property during apartheid. It's lunacy and Americans need to look out for it's citizens first and foremost, not some religious fundamentalist who are quite racist towards all non- je wish Americans. The level of racism in Israel also does not receive any media coverage, despite it's prevalence. See for yourself http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090126.wisrael26/BNStory/International/home
posted Jan 27, 2009 at 21:08:30
[Yet another anti-Semite ignoring or downplaying anti-Semitism. Apparently he also sees the Jews as one monolithic entity, based on this.]
Jews Should Learn from African Americans and Move On
Well said. also it's more like 25 million people died in WWII, they got over it, stop beating a dead horse and using this to murder children in Gaza. Racism is alive and well in the Arab world but it's also very alive in Israel among racist settlers who feel all americans not of their faith are inferior.
posted Jan 21, 2009 at 12:56:28
Gaza: The War On Children
Zionism is is not Judaism, it's racism. I'm guessing the Media offensive from Israel to blind Americans is at work here. Well take a look at this video, notice how he keeps saying no pictures? It's a given that they know what they are doing is horribly wrong but want to suppress this to keep their gravy train (US Taxpayers $8 billion) going. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVhFyIns81Q
posted Jan 13, 2009 at 13:17:54
The CNN-NPR-NYT Middle East Conspiracy
American Media is Occupied territory. Look at how our politicians trip over themselves to defend Israel, even if it's not in the interests of it's citizens. When Georgia started a war with Russia (Israeli connection in terms of weapons and politicians) and got pummelled there were not cries of protest from American politicians about Georgian aggression. I. IWe shipped them $1 billion in aid. Fast forward to Gaza, the whole infrastructure is obliterated, and they stay silent, foreign aid non-existent. Here's an idea, how about we re-allocate the $8 billion in aid to Israel and force them to pay for re-construction.
posted Jan 13, 2009 at 11:19:27
US Rejected Secret Israeli Request For Help In Attacking Iranian Nuclear Site
We are Rome, an overextended and broke empire. the crown jewel in our empire is really a disease which will accelerate our demise. Think Israelis give a crap about Americans? They love our taxdollars but feel we are inferior because we ain't j ewish. Now wasn't there someone in the 30's that felt that they were superior to another group? Stop giving Israel six billion a year!!!!! [This type of post is repeated literally dozens of times.]
posted Jan 11, 2009 at 01:10:50
UN Security Council calls for immediate Gaza truce
The IDF has a great track record of targetting children and international observers. RACHEL CORRIE was an American murd ered by the IDF. The hysteria raised by the usual suspects was disgusting when they protested a high school that wanted to put on a play based on her life. Apparently it's okay for racists like Daniel pipes to censor all but radically pro-israeli thought but an American high school can't put on a play about an innocent American murdered by religious fundamentalists? In Lebanon they murder ed a Canadian peacekeeper: Major Paeta Hess-von Kruedener. Hess-von Kruedener was killed in Lebanon in 2006 by an Israeli attack utilizing overwhelming and specifically targeted destructive force against an unarmed UN observation post. That he was killed while serving his country and the world community in the capacity of an observer who had placed himself in harm's way to do what he could to mitigate the horrors of war as experienced by a civilian population is an outstanding expression of Canadian military heroism. THE WORLD IS WATCHING, NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU TRY TO SUPRESS YOUR APARTHEID. CUT OFF ALL OF OUR BILLION IN FOREIGN AID TO ISRAEL, WE NEED THE MONEY AT HOME OUR POLITICIANS SHOULD GROW A SPINE AND REALIZE THAT THEY WORK FOR AMERICAN CITIZENS, NOT ISRAELIS. YOU CAN ONLY SELL OUT YOUR OWN INTERESTS FOR ANOTHER COUNTRY'S FOR SO LONG, CONTINUANCE OF THESE POLICIES WILL ACCELERATE THE DECLINE OF OUR NATION.
posted Jan 08, 2009 at 20:09:03
Palestinian Bloggers: 'I Might Stop Reporting Either If I Die Or I Flee My Home'
These posts like holocau st letters should be mandatory reading in American High Schools.
posted Jan 06, 2009 at 13:31:28
[He's oh so quick to compare the Palestinians and Jewish victims of the Nazis.]
Gaza truce proposed after Israeli shell kills 30
Why do we support an Apartheid regime that believes in superiority based on religion? Heck, most Americans would not qualify to immigrate to Israel, yet we provide Billions of our taxdollars to them. Nice that their Children have healthcare thanks to our taxdollars, too bad the same can't be said about our children here in America where we pay taxes. Why do we pay $1500 to each Israeli each year? I wish that the people who paid taxes would get some of that back.
posted Jan 06, 2009 at 09:37:30
Gaza truce proposed after Israeli shell kills 30
Never Forget, i hear that all the time, and how many times am I to be reminded of the Holo caust? This has nothing to do with it, just because your great grandparents suffered, it doesn't give you the right to act a certain way. Newsflash, other peoples have suffered greatly but they get on with life and don't keep playing the victim. Hard to play the victim when you're performing a scorched earth cluster bombing campaign, bombing UN schools and killing children. NEVER FORGET THAT THIS IS A WAR CRIME
posted Jan 06, 2009 at 09:11:16
Israel's Thinking May Provide Insight into Obama's
Silly American Gentiles, We are your best friends and your interests are ours. Please keep sending us your billions in taxpayer dollars, we are not concerned that your children don't have healthcare, because ours do. Our interests trump American's interests all the time, we like it that way. If you disagree with us you will be labelled an anti-sem ite which as you know is worst than being racist. Please go watch Defiance and Schindlers list and remember that we were the only people who suffered in WWII. Keep those cheques coming AMERICAN TAXPAYER.
posted Jan 05, 2009 at 13:58:03
[This post is repeated six times across different threads. And they remain for months.]
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Cheerleaders for the Iraq War.
Nuff said.
Now here are the anti-Israel and anti-Jewish remarks, in no particular order. Just as a reminder, this was an unmoderated thread.:
hrholmes
chitown08
baffy
roadwarrior09
Do try to keep up.
[I have a feeling that comparing a sovereign state to professional criminals crosses the line from disagreements on policy to hate speech.]
mrh3
[Pretty tame by HuffPo standards, but suggesting that we "impose" a solution is still a pretty arrogant point of view.]
The Return of the "Zionist Occupied Government!"
(christopherflynn
ChangeurMind
TammyKnowsBest
Quinterius
Never-the-Less
Keith Mayass
AhAh , The UK defending Israel....
they promoted "white supremacy" strategy until 1970...
The UK : first country to promote overtly "white supremacy" in colonies by shipping poor UK children from 1920's to 1968..... to populate thhe colinies with whites in Canada, Australia, New Zealand ....
read excuse from australian goverment
[He then posted links. Basically he's implying that Israel is in favor of white supremacisy...or just racist...I think.]
rodnacious
ObjectiveReality