Tuesday, February 14, 2012

Norman Finkelstein on Palestinian Activism

This video is long but very interesting. Norman denounces the BDS movement as dishonest and counterproductive:



Finkelstein definitely holds his opinions, but he isn't afraid to call out others. It's worth checking out. Make sure you watch through to the end when he calls BDS "dishonest" and "a cult," that he is now sick of.

Update: Video is made private but we downloaded it. Upload in progress now, will update the post when it finishes.

Second Update: New version of video is up.

Third Update: The BDSers are trying to cover it up again by reporting to Youtube that it is infringing on a copyright. Stay tuned and we'll see what we can do.

Fourth Update: It's back, baby.

25 comments:

  1. Can somebody produce a transcription of this video?

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  2. Nonsense. He's simply irritated that the BDS'rs call for a NEW Holocaust as opposed to obliquely denying, as the Good Doktor, that the LAST ONE actually happened and that it was a significant event. If some catastrophe ever befalls Israel the Good Doktor will suddenly find the nearest 1000 BDS'rs, lock arms and dance. It's not even a question.

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  3. Thanks for posting this. It is fascinating. Do you have any information about when it was filmed? What was the event he was speaking at later that day?

    Nycerbarb

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  4. Thank you archiving this video.

    I think that the BDS bloke would have preferred that the exchange had never been recorded.

    Nothing like a pompous anti Zionist Jew who has not lost his rationality, to wipe the floor with BDS bigots

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  5. What, BDS-holes not openly Nazi enough for little Normie?

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  6. "Gaza is occupied territory. That's correct."

    Really?

    Occupied by Hamas?

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  7. Finkelstein, the whiny SOB, is just saying that the BDS movement is not going according to Finkelstein’s timeline to destroy Israel - he has spent his career looking at one side of a problem without recognizing why Israel must maintain a strong and viable country in a region where the Muslims have never accepted Israel, attacked Israel in war on 4 or 5 occasions. The Muslims have set up terror organizations to bring an end to Israel, they do not give a shit about any borders, even Auchwitz borders. Muslims outnumber Israel 100 to 1 and if Israel did not maintain strength they would be gone. Hey, Finkelstein, have a look at what is happening in the genocidal, intolerant, misogynist, anti-Semitic, violent Arab countries and tell the world that you want your friends and family to live there and to allow them to take over your home. Take a flying leap, Fink, you are the most dishonest, dangerous "academic" ever to have spoken on this topic. Your talk of the law is about as weird as it gets given your past record of hate and deceit against your own people.

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    1. I thought Arabs were also Semitic people. So, the Arabs, according to your comment, are anti-Arab? Sounds confusing. However, I may be misinformed by the article in Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic), so please explain. If I am supposed to hate someone, I need to have this clarified.

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  8. BTW: Fink, You HAVE wasted your life on all kinds of causes that show you as a weak and vengeful piece of crap. Why don't you just get involved in the truth and look into your own soul and beliefs - you will come to the conclusion that your pitiful arrogance and inability to see beyond your dishonest approach to research and academics shows that you have been used and you, in turn are using others to make your hate the central feature of your failed life. You are a failure on many levels and the fact that you go from one ruthless cause to another, changing your opinions to suit the present state of your huge ego, is evidence that you need psychological help.

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  9. This clip is the face of an evil, perverted sociopath, with an inability to feel emotion. This prick does not sympathize with anyone, even his own parents whom he disgraces with his vile passion to harm his own people. The fact that Fink's family were exterminated does not make him compassionate for those who are now in danger of extermination at the hands of Islamic terrorists. He uses and abuses the Palestinian people as a tool to get back at Jews because he has a serious mental deficiency and is in need of institutionalized care. See:....


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzm2b0KNjW0

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  10. Dean, I'm a Zionist Jew who has made Aliyah, so I don't say this lightly. Listen to what the man has to say, relax a little and think. I don't agree with him in many ways but your hyperbolic diatribe is just ridiculous

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    1. Mr. Zionist Jew: How many times do you want to be fooled by psychotic a-holes? That kind of ignorance over the ages has led to death for your people. As soon as you let down your guard they will stab you with a knife in the back. Fink could become a fighter for Israel at this point (perhaps the shock treatments are working) but I would not want him nor trust him in my troop - once a deceiver and propagandist, always a deceiver and propagandist. He is a despicable liar and con man. Do not be so gullible!

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    2. I can't recall ever being fooled by a "psychotic a-hole", as you so delicately put it. Then again, insight is in the eye of the beholder and, in making Aliyah, you could rightly say that I'm out of my mind. My individual motives/state of mind aside, 'my people' have been pretty successful at surviving over the ages and regardless of who 'fink' is fighting for, I think he gives a very coherent, honest account of his beliefs. He has blindly followed the 'all fart and no shit' pseudo left wing 'let's critise everyone but have no plans ourself' for a long time. He provides an amazing insight into these guru's and cults that he has obviously realised have no substance.

      Dean, you need to relax. I don't want him to take over from Shimon Peres just yet ; p

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    3. Dean, all you have done here is mount a series of ad-hominem attacks against Dr. Finkelstein without providing a shred of evidence or a even a coherent argument. You are clearly, as Simon points out, operating from a place of anger and aggression, and seeing how this is a text based discussion I think that that is a little silly and counterproductive. If you want intelligent people to take you seriously and consider your positions then cut out the angry rhetoric. It is definitely in Israel's interest to make peace with its neighbours according to international law, namely th 67' borders, which has always been Finkelstein's position. Israel reached a peace treaty with Egypt by withrawing from the Sinai peninsula and forming a border with Egypt along the 67' border. You present the Muslim world as an evil monolith when it's an extremely diverse and divided society, and in fact the PA, Hamas, the Arab league, and the OIC (which includes Iran) have all agreed to peaceful settlement along the 67' lines. Palestinians are people too and they deserve their rights just like Israelis. Israel needs to work with the moderates in Palestine in order to marginalize the extremist, and begin a serious campaign of improving its public image in the Arab world.

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  11. Looks like Finkelstein pulled a Finkler. Life imitates art!
    http://progressivezionist.blogspot.com/2012/02/norman-finkelstein-pulls-finkler.html

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  12. The bottom line here is that Norm agrees with BDS but finds them to be a cult of losers, and is angered that they're lying about their ultimately eliminationist goals. I don't know if that means he wants Israel destroyed or wants BDS to tell the truth and deal with whatever support or lack of it accrues, but he provides one and only one useful point here: nailing BDS as the Israel-must-be-destroyed group of nasties they are, and doing so as someone whose bona fides can't be "hasabra'd off" by the BDS/far-Left echo chamber. It's a bad day for BDS, not that they don't deserve it.

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  13. the jig is up for the lying cult of BDS....norman is finally good for sumptin

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  14. What I took away from this is not that he disagrees with BDS but that from a tactical point of view the promoters of BDS have failed to package it in a way that can allow the idea to go mainstream. In a sense, he's correct; can anyone take Medea Benjamin (code pink) any more seriously then they took Abbie Hoffman? Remember he says he was a Maoist for twenty years (TWENTY YEARS! Just how much time do you need to figure out you're running with a pack of genocidal murders??)and so what he is calling for is a Maoist response to their failure - a "purge" to give BDS a new face. He may feel secure in the belief that pre-1967 Israel meets the national aspirations of the Jewish people but in today's world these are "suicide borders" and his words are merely a calculated mis-direction.

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  15. Of course to the Zionist psycho and sociopaths nothing Norman Finkelstein says will redeem him for having told the truth about how the Zionist movement - which collaborated with the Hitlerites - treated the survivors of the Holocaust.

    But this interview says more about NF's weariness, not least with the political mistakes of the Palestinian leadership, in particular Oslo. Finkelstein is wrong about BDS, since it is very much a growing movement. He seems to have forgotten that if BDS were just a cult then the present Israeli government would not have outlawed it recently.

    The key fact is that Israel is an apartheid state unlike any other. NF has now rendered himself useless to the cause he gave so much to. That happens. But what is more significant is the no. of Zionists who are despairing of Zionism - not minor figures either but people like Shulamit Aloni and Avraham Burg

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    1. I love it when the truth causes their heads to explode.

      http://hurryupharry.org/2010/01/27/tony-greenstein-goes-on-the-attack/

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    2. Yes Tony, he's just "tired" (play Madeline Kahn here). I think what ticks off Tony was the observation of (his)longstanding Maoism, perhaps that caused a bit of self-reflection, um I meant self-criticism, that left a nasty taste. Best to blame Zionists.

      Tony's cv: http://cifwatch.com/cif-contributors/tony-greenstein/

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  16. It was Norman Finkelstein that wanted it removed. He contacted Frank who interviewed him and Frank removed it or had it removed.

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  17. I guess Norman just isn't ultra-left enough for some folks.

    Note that he emphasized (twice) that BDS is a correct strategy. He merely expressed his weariness at those who fetishize BDS, who hide their ultimate goal to destroy Israel, and who accept direction from hollow institutions who know little about building a global solidarity movement (and even less about building a movement in Palestine).

    As far as I am concerned, he raises important political questions that need to be discussed openly. And one question clearly is what should be the goal of the movement: to help resolve the conflict so that both peoples can thrive or to destroy one nationality in favor of another?

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  18. Noam Chomsky made a good point recently about BDS that I don't think Finklstein articulates in this otherwise excellent interview. When asked if he believes in the BDS movement Chomsky made the point that BDS is a tactic not a principle, and therefor it's not something that you support as "a movement". He said for example that he supports targetting sanctions against companies operating in the West Bank and occupied territories, but he is aganinst academic boycotts just like he was in South Africa, as they are counter to the principles of free speech that Chomsky obviously cherishes. The cult aspect arises I think when it becomes a blanket movement of BDS against Israel, starts convoluting different issues, and ultimately ends up discrediting the Palestinian cause, which has made huge strides in recent years.

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  19. glad norm has had some enlightened thoughts at the end of his career. Maybe he is getting sentimental in his old age, or just scared.

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